K E E P O N T R U C K I N ' R E - V I S I T E D ----------------------------------------------------------------- Volume 2, Issue 12 ISSN 1097-41 56 July 1999 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Contents: ** INTRODUCTION & MUSINGS ** CONTRIBUTIONS ++ COOL LINKS ** COOL LISTS ++ QUOTES ** COOL GOODIES ++ FEATURED WORDS & TUNES ** SUBSCRIBE, UNSUBSCRIBE, CONTRIBUTE & MISC. INFO ***************************************************************** Introduction & Musings: Welcome to all the new subscribers who have joined us over the last month! So, what's it all about man? Keep On Truckin' Re-Visited is a moderated newsletter/list about the time between the mid 60s and mid 70s. It was designed to examine and present a positive nostalgia of a time since past. It is also designed to provide a forum for you to share your feelings, thoughts and experiences from that time frame. Please participate and help this community grow. ---------------- To SUBSCRIBE, e-mail To UNSUBSCRIBE, e-mail (Drop me a note and let me know why, if you would.) To POST to the newsletter, e-mail or For a more interactive & colorful KOTRV experience, please drop into - http://www.vipgrafx.com/hippy/archives/july99.htm Check out last months issue at: http://www.vipgrafx.com/hippy/archives/june99.htm ---------------- Is every body happy!? ---------------- Please keep your submissions coming. I feel that this is what KOTRV is all about. We all want to hear what YOU, me, them, or us were doing back then or perhaps what you would have like to have done if you had been there at the time. Very cool, keep them stories coming! ---------------- I want to thank Yvonne - mailto:ydgroot@elnet.nl for the review that she did for the last issue on "On the Road" by Jack Kerouac. If you have read a great book from or about the time frame and would like to provide a review, that would be real cool. Just send me an email and I will do my best to get it into the newsletter. BTW, that goes for any great albums or videos as well. ---------------- A big issue this time, so onwards and upwards.. ---------------- Comments: comment: I perform original 60's-70's era music in the Reno, Nv. area. I would like to make you aware of upcoming events- In Particular- our "Odd" August Nights show (Hippy alternative to Reno's "Hot August Nights" festival. to be held on August 7th Come to Reno & celebrate "Odd August Nights" ( NOSTALGIA! - HIPPIE STYLE ) at: (running concurrently with Reno's "Hot August Nights" festival) at: Einsteins Quantum Cafe 6135 Lakeside Dr Lakeridge Pointe Mall (South of McCarran) Reno, Nevada (775) 825-6611 Saturday, August 7th, 1999 starting around 6PM 60's - 70's era music performed by Doug Robertson & company ( http://kspace.com/robertson ) Music, Poetry, Hippy Food! Hippy style clothing optional! comment: What does it all mean, Mr. Natural? Don't mean sheeeeeeeeit! ++++++++++++++++++++ More fluff... less stuff... So, warm up the lava lamp, flip on the black light, get experienced with Los Lobos, put on your love beads, your headband, bell bottomed pants, put a flower in your hair, get yourself in the proper state of mind, kick back, and experience the rest of the newsletter. =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+==+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Story: This is a link to a short story submitted to KOTRV by Vasilis Afxentiou of Athens, Greece. Check it out! http://www.vipgrafx.com/hippy/loose.htm =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+==+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Contributions: Please feel free to add your 2 cents worth - share your thoughts, feelings, and general good-times. We would all love to hear from you! Send your comments to: +++++ Wrom: QNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYL To: "Vincent Gearhart" Subject: Into The Now info Date sent: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:10:06 PST Vincent: Into The Now is a groove band based out of Rochester, NY. The 7 members include 2 Full drums, 1 Organ, 1 Piano, 2 Guitars & 1 Bass. The band specializes in Grateful Dead/Groove oriented music, as well as their own unique blend of these styles which have lent direction for their original tunes as released on their self-entitled CD. For more info, check out their website at http://www.intothenow.com Kyrakin +++++ Date sent: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:28:31 -0700 Wrom: EJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVW Send reply to: ian.berg@sk.sympatico.ca To: hippy@vipgrafx.com Subject: Looking ahead Hello KOTRVites, I like some of the things that came out of the '60s like Gonzo Journalism (Hunter S. Thompson) and civil rights. However, the moral libertinism of the time did not fail as a cultural experiment. It became entrenched in law in the form of Roe v. Wade, erosion of Judeo-Christian values, triumph of the liberal mass media, and a vacuum of presidential leadership the likes of which has not been seen since Warren G. Harding was President! In case you are wondering, I was born in 1975. I say we should take the best of the last fifty years and put it all together for the first decade of the 21st Century: 1940s - willing to fight for freedom 1950s - economic growth, low unemployment 1960s - civil rights, individual equality 1970s - local, community-based action on social and environmental issues 1980s - tax cuts increase private charitable giving Put it all together and that's a pretty good cultural ethos. What do the hippies think? :-) -- Ian Berg ian.berg@sk.sympatico.ca Fax (847) 589-5819 My page http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/2904 Join the Canadian-Issues Mailing List. It's free & low-key. +++++ Date sent: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:38:33 -0700 To: hippy@vipgrafx.com Wrom: WCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVIBGDADRZ Subject: you know. like. what shall i say. Like, hey people, i like your attempt to recall a lost time with a lost attitude i don't know, i just like the whole concept of hippiedom (why am i writing in freeverse, i'll answer thee? blame it all on d.a. levy, he made this to me i cannot even write in prose anymore when we you write in freeverse people think yr trying to do poetry) i am just 16, i feel kind of isolated since people don't care anymore whether you live and die, you know if i tried to take life like most people of my age do it would be as fun as watching paint dry. so i ask, what for, if i can just post sillt freeverse messages with silly attempts of rhyme (oh, come on, thee/me, that was stupid) i am even far away from where things took place back in the 60's. I'm in Brazil and i wasn't even born here look at this. why am i writing this all just because i feel lonely and i needed to vent a little people don't care anymore. so. íve been nietzchean i've been a nihilist. i've been a dadaist i've been an existentialist. now i am flirting with the hippie attitude and i think i am doing one of those non-permanent tattoos man, i think i'll have a flower made on my arm i am writing a screenplay about a hippie out of his time stuck in a room with a thugh-ish whitemale. (oh, i am getting into the filmmaking college in six months one of the things that is paving my way into hippiedom is the fact that i dropped the idea of getting into computer science my parents are still against it, they were envisioning the great salaries in computing but i don't care, they give me a lot of freedom and support. so. i was, like, trying to understand the hippie way of being and i became too interested in it so i think i am becoming like the character in my screenplay! well. i am still looking for help in developing hippytalk. i mean the pathos of the thing is ready but dialogues are kind of artificial, you know it's meant to be a hippie, not George Gamow, not Heisnberg so. anyone will help me? or. anyway. like. i love you all. unconditionally harmony and understanding, halturen (aeternum) +++++ Date sent: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:17:37 -0700 (PDT) From: alain pire Subject: Psychedelic era To: kotrv-owner@onelist.com Well folks, It'd be nice to activate this list for a while... So, I have a request that I already posted to Vincent : I'm working on a Ph.D. about the psychedelic era (65-69), so if anyone out there has some stories to tell me about that time, I'd be glad to hear them. Alain === check my music home page : http://members.xoom.com/al_pire +++++ From: "jordan....." To: hippy@vipgrafx.com Subject: rose and thorn essay Date sent: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:49:30 PDT i guess there are a lot of us who have problems.. seems like it's the season for trouble in the Family and in my own family too... you all follow ;-).. but during a conversation with my deadhead lawyer (dum dee dum dum!)he pointed out that i wasn't gonna die from my predicament, and he looked me in the eye and told me that i was gonna be better off now ... that i would learn many things from the ordeal, and yes that i would even grow into someone even more beautiful as a result! he has that gift mentioned at the end of the essay, the gift to go past the thorns an bring out the beauty (pardon my paraphrase)... may we all be blessed with this gift when we need to support each other! may the four winds blow us all safely home... big hugs! jordan hawaiian gardens, ca ++++ Date sent: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:52:09 -0800 To: kotrv-owner@onelist.com From: norah Subject: KEEP ON TRUCKING Hi Vincent, Thanks for setting up this wonderfull link to our past :) My name is Norah Pendragon and i was born in 1948 and graduated highschool in 1968. i have sence earned a couple of college degrees. one in graphic desighn and the other a BFA A friend forwarded your post to me. I became so nostalgic reading everyones comments. Espeshally the one about Kent State which brought long forgotten tears to my eyes. I often encounter teens who are nostalgic about a time they were never part of. This mistifies me. Yes, i tell them the 60s/70s were a time of glorious beginnings.. Why dont you turn the time you are in to your own glorious beginnings? As a kid i remember walking down the street in Eugene OR and seeing a poster on a record store window "Can You Pass The Electric Koolaid Acid Test?" hahaha i wish i had copped that! imagin what it would be worth today? Norah *peace* +++++ From: weezin geezer To: kotrv-owner@onelist.com Subject: Review of "On The Road" Date sent: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 10:44:45 PDT Not to belittle the reviewer of "On the Road", but it's difficult to say in a few words what the essence of the book is. In the 90s, there has been so much distance and so many things that have happened since then, it's difficult even to understand the context of "On the Road". Despite all the media insistence on separating the 6os from the 50s, there was actually very little that separated the two decades. The fifties actually set the stage for the sixties to happen. Reading Kerouac it's evident that not everyone subscribed to the "Ozzie & Harriet" school of thought during the fifties. The real radical departures in music,literature and culture actually took place in the late '40s and early 50s. The sixties cultural "revolutions" were actually the logical progressions to what had begun earlier. Kerouac, Burroghs, Ginsberg in literature, Miles and Coltrane in music, the beatnicks, the early Civil Rights movements, were all direct results of the insanity of World War II. And I believe that there were a number of factors that came into play here. Obviously, the Atomic bomb changed forever, how we all looked at the world. And World War II was really the first "global" war, with a European and Pacific theater. People, not just Americans, who had never even been out of their own hometowns were suddenly and (relatively) quickly set down in a completely alien part of the world, not unlike Dorothy in "The Wizard of Oz". People began to see that there was a great big world out there. And that there were other ways of living, other ways of looking at the world. And they began to question the status quo. A lot of others who had lived through the horrors and carnage of the War began to question everything they used to take for granted. Maybe some were trying to rationalize what they had seen or done, or just to try to make sense of everything. And that shattered a lot of belief systems. All this being said, I read "On the Road" as a Senior in High School in 1968. And it had a profound impact on me. I wanted to see the country as it was, and meet the people Sal Paradise met. I wanted to have adventures and experiences, and not have to settle down to a boring life selling insurance and having 2.3 kids and a station wagon. It dawned on me that there was "LIFE" out there and it was just waiting to be experienced. I finally got my chance in 1972, when I hitchiked with a buddy, from our home in Virginia to California, by way of Chicago (where we slept in a graveyard), to Minnesota (kicked out of a Socialist Meeting for being Drunk and Rude- and we were!!!), to South Dakota, where we stayed in a haunted farm house, to Colorado, to LA, to San Francisco and back. Yeah, I had adventures like Sal, and then some. And my life has never been the same. Thank God for "On the Road". Reading "On the Road" gave me a real appreciation for the Real America. Warts and all. And I don't think you can appreciate that sort of thing today, unless you were alive before the McAmerica/Wal-mart Bullshit illusion that we have unfortunately become. In fact, very few people even know the "real" America today. They do know America, Inc. And it's a sad state of affairs in my opinion, when Wall Street and Madison Avenue have replaced Main Street. I'm sorry to ramble, but us 'geezers tend to do that. But, in closing, I urge everyone to read "On the Road", take it to heart, and don't become one of "them"! +++++ From: CTHundley@webtv.net (Chuck Hundley) Date sent: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 11:30:56 -0400 (EDT) To: hippy@vipgrafx.com Subject: Hey!!! This is a bit about me just click on my homepage included, its good to be here with all of you, Chuck~~:) http://community.webtv.net/CTHundley/doc PEACE!~pass it on~ +++++ From: Bearlywood@aol.com Date sent: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 04:01:02 EDT Subject: re: Marshall Tucker Band review To: hippy@vipgrafx.com Hey Vincent.. That was a very comprehensive review of the Marshall Tucker Band's "Best Of.." album. Don't suppose you, or anyone, would have the lyrics (and maybe the chords, too?) to "In My Own Way" would ya? Peace and sunshine.. Bearly Moderator's Comment There is no doubt that I am the best reviewer this side of the Arkansas river (yeah, sure...) but, can anyone help Bearly out? +++++ Date sent: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:06:32 -0500 To: hippy@vipgrafx.com From: Héctor Subject: Alittle 60's Mexican story Hi, my name is Héctor Cabrera and I'm writing you from Querétaro, a beautiful colonial city about 150 miles north of México City. I am 40 years old and still, despite other people's feelings, consider myself a hippy. As you may know, our country has followed the American Way of Life in many ways, including the hippy movement but with our own variations. In the mid and late 60's many american hippies traveled to our country searching the enlightment provided by our magical plants, mainly mushrooms (Teonanacatl) and peyote (Pixtli). In those early days, when María Sabina was still alive and the police forces were'nt completely aware of what was going on, the soon to be mexican hippies were able to learn from their american counterparts and join, with full swing, a philosophy that changed our lives forever and was in the way of changing our nation´s as well. Before this happened marihuana smoking, for example, was considered (by the "well bred" people) a trade practiced only by convicts and the scum of society; on the other hand, the use of Teonanacatl, Pixtli and many other species was seen as a barbaric way of the indians to get high: "Let them take that stuff and kill themselves, so we have to do nothing to get rid of them." (By the way, a similar way of thinking still prevails down here). But, what happened when the children from those families dropped their sweaters and turtlenecks and began to wear the same clothes from those dreaded indians completed with long hair, that music, is that music at all?, kilos of joints and round trips unto space? ...Fear and repression.(From the Government, of course) It only got worse after the so called "Mexican Woodstock", the ill fated Avándaro Festival held in 1971. The Police Moderator's Comment It would be cool to find out more about the hippy culture in other countries - ya know, kind of compare notes and see were we all were and what was happenin' then and what is goin' on now. Please share your story. o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o COOL LINKS Cool links to sites from the outer recesses of the Psychedelic Cyber Cosmos ++++++ Listen.com Cool, found more downloadable music on the net. Also this site provides music news from SonicNet and editorial comments on artists and links to arist's websites. Plus much more! Drop In: http://www.listen.com/ ++++++ Gary's Mountain Inn Cool place to visit - check out all the nice posters, handbills, photos and stickers (yes, the stickers are ver cool) that Gary has at this site. Oh yea, it sure brings back the memories. Drop In: http://www.slip.net/~cyberman/ ++++++ The Schwatown Midway! This place is done like a virtual reality world and you should visit this place. Games, chat and good stuff. It is pretty wild! It's very different, kind of like a real carnival midway. Drop In: http://www.theschwacorporation.com/SCHWATOWN ++++++ HARMONY'S HIPPIE HAVEN Cool site - takes awhile to load as there are many fun graphics and things to look at. A true hippy site. Enjoy! Drop In: http://pweb.netcom.com/~harmony1/harmonyshippiehaven.html ***************************************************************** COOL LISTS Cool Lists from around the net! +++++ Country Crafts Newsletter Description: Country Crafts Newsletter is an award winning Free monthly subscription both for the professional crafter as well as the leisure artist. We include crafts, tips, show listings, motivational words, and fun. Sample articles include: Recipes, Craft Instructions, Oganizational tips, Contest Updates, Holiday Crafts, Decorating ideas, and Selected URL finds. Subscription instructions: To Subscribe to Country Crafts send an E-mail to: CountryCuts-subscribe@listbot.com with Subscribe in the body or visit http://home.att.net/~DLeddy/newsletter.html Owner/moderator address: CountryCutsNewsletter@juno.com ***************************************************************** QUOTES On Love ----- "The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved." -Victor Hugo ----- "Fear less, hope more; Whine less, breathe more; Talk less, say more; Hate less, love more; And all good things are yours." -Swedish Proverb ----- "The grand essentials of happiness are: something to do, something to love, and something to hope for." -Allan K. Chalmers ----- "You don't love a woman because she is beautiful, but she is beautiful because you love her." -Anon. ----- "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -Martin Luther King, Jr. ----- "Looking back, I have this to regret, that too often when I loved, I did not say so." -David Grayson ----- "You, yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." -Buddha ----- "It is not for him to pride himself who loveth his own country, but rather for him who loveth the whole world. The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens." -Baha'u'llah ----- "A friend is one who knows you and loves you just the same." -Elbert Hubbard ----- "Love has nothing to do with what you are expecting to get, it's what you are expected to give -- which is everything." -Anon. ----- "Love does not begin and end the way we seem to think it does. Love is a battle, love is a war; love is a growing up." -James Baldwin ----- "In love the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -Erich Fromm ----- "Immature love says: 'I love you because I need you.' Mature love says 'I need you because I love you.'" -Erich Fromm ----- "Perfect love is rare indeed - for to be a lover will require that you continually have the subtlety of the very wise, the flexibility of the child, the sensitivity of the artist, the understanding of the philosopher, the acceptance of the saint, the tolerance of the scholar and the fortitude of the certain." -Leo Buscaglia ----- "Throw your dreams into space like a kite, and you do not know what it will bring back, a new life, a new friend, a new love, a new country." -Anaïs Nin ----- "Through me you pass into the city of woe: Through me you pass into eternal pain: Through me among the people lost for aye. Justice the founder of my fabric moved: To rear me was the task of power divine, Supremest wisdom, and primeval love. Before me things create were none, save things Eternal, and eternal I shall endure. All hope abandon, ye who enter here." -Dante Alighieri, Divine Comedy, The ----- "Love thine enemies...it really pisses them off." -Anon. ----- "I love to see, when leaves depart, The clear anatomy arrive, Winter, the paragon of art, That kills all forms of life and feeling Save what is pure and will survive." -Roy Campbell, "Autumn" ----- Get the archive of quotes - send a blank email to: mailto:quotes@vipgrafx.com ***************************************************************** COOL GOODIES Fun stuff from the digital ether +++++ Get Spaced Out With this... Galaxies Screen Saver A sophisticated, high-tech FREE screen saver that displays 3D galaxies and lets you adjust various properties. Watch as the "camera" tours the universe, visiting the galaxies. Fun to watch! Once "Galaxies" is running, as either a screen saver or in stand-alone mode, you should see the display clear to a black background followed by a large burst of stars from the screen's center. The stars will coalesce into several galaxy formations. The camera will take a tour of the universe, visiting each galaxy in turn. If the product is running as a screen saver, then moving the mouse or pressing a key will stop the effects. Requirements: For Windows 98/95 and NT. 1.8 megabytes. http://www.thefreesite.com/galaxies1.htm +++++ Photo Point Great free place to hang your pictures out to dry. You can upload YOUR pictures and place them into folders that you can share with friends and/or with everyone on net if you feel like it. http://www.photopoint.com/index.html Very cool deal - feel free to visit mine at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=48598&a=335996 +++++ BitHead's Home Page Awesome fractal graphic backgrounds! http://people.ce.mediaone.net/bithead/index2.html ***************************************************************** FEATURED WORDS & TUNES FEATURED BOOK Looking For the Summer by Robert W. Norris Paperback - 215 pages 1 Ed edition (October 1, 1996) Touka Shobo; ISBN: 4924527661 Hey if my number would have been close in '72, I am not sure what I would have done had I been drafted. Robert's story is of a man who had been sentenced to a year of hard time in a military prison for being a conscientious objector during the Viet Nam war and his travels from Paris to Calcutta. In an effort to find his place in this crazy life by dealing with his reflections, trails and experiences during this journey, the main character David, meets and shares many exciting adventures with several interesting people along the way. Here is a nice little cut from the book.. "As an individual, I'd like to create change in the world. But, as far as I can see, the better way is through art, expression, literature, music, and poetry rather than through politics. This must seem to you a very naive and immature opinion. It's the only one I have, though, the only one that makes any sense to me, simple as it is." Is this just a story of an adventurous young man and his travels, an indulgence in politics or a study in philosophy? I am not real sure but it was a very enjoyable read and I highly recommend it. Do take the time to read the Amazon.com interview with the author and learn a bit more about Robert and his works. Robert, thanks so much for sharing your writing with me! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/4924527661/vipgraphivideo (you may need to cut and paste the url if it's on two lines) FEATURED ALBUM Searching For Jimi Hendrix Various Artists Category Rock/Pop Collections Street Date Tuesday, April 20, 1999 Studio/Live Studio UPC 72438597822 Who would have thought that Rosanne Cash would be doing a Jimi Hendrix song? It's a wild wild world out there but this album is pretty cool and it might be worth your time to check it out. Album Notes: Compilation producers: Kevin Stein, Gui Nabganiello, Master X. Includes liner notes by Laurie Anderson, Rosanne Cash, Chuck D., Taylor Dayne, Five Blind Boys Of Alabama, Mark Isham, Los Illegals, Los Lobos, Charlie Musselwhite, Neville & Sheena Staples, Cassandra Wilson and D.A. Pennebaker. Track Listing 1 Up From The Skies - Neville & Sheena Staples 2 1983 (A Merman I Should Turn To Be) - Laurie Anderson 3 Are You Experienced? - Los Lobos 4 Little Wing - Los Illegals 5 Free At The Edge Of An Answer - Chuck D. 6 Manic Depression - Roseanne Cash 7 Wind Cries Mary, The - Taylor Dayne 8 Stone Free - Mark Isham 9 Angel - Cassandra Wilson 10 Hear My Train A' Comin' - Charlie Musslewhite 11 Drifting - The Blind Boys Of Alabama http://cdu2.cduniverse.com/asp/albuminfo.asp?lc=7778+59782&frm=lk_vipgrafx (you may need to cut and paste the url if it's on two lines) +=+=+=+=+ I have put together several pages on the sister web site for KOTRV with a selection of books, CDs, and videos that relate somehow to the 60's and 70s. Follow these links - Books - Music - Videos - =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hey, don't Bogart this newsletter! Please forward this copy to all your friends. Thanks! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- SUBSCRIBE, UNSUBSCRIBE, CONTRIBUTE & MISC. INFO List Owner/Editor - Vincent P. Gearhart KEEP ON TRUCKIN' RE-VISITED E-mail Address - mailto:hippy@vipgrafx.com or mailto:kotrv-owner@onelist.com Subscribe/Unsubscribe & Misc. Information: To SUBSCRIBE, send e-mail mailto:kotrv-subscribe@onelist.com To UNSUBSCRIBE, send e-mail mailto:kotrv-unsubscribe@onelist.com (Drop me a note and let me know why, if you would.) To POST to the newsletter, send e-mail mailto:hippy@vipgrafx.com or mailto:kotrv-owner@onelist.com The sister web site for KOTRV is located at Please stop by and see the changes and additions. KOTRV has an archive of past issues available on-line at =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Copyright 1999, VIP Graphics. All rights reserved. ISSN 1097-4156 Library of Congress, Washington, D.C. Disclaimer: Disclaim THIS!!